Transcript: Senior Safety – CES 2026 Highlights

This is the transcript for the Rethinking Aging Club Podcast episode recorded January 29, 2026.

Episode Title: Senior Safety – CES 2026 Highlights

Recorded: January 29, 2026 / Published February 5, 2026

Guests:

Bill Mulholland, Founder, Agoyu – fighting mover fraud

Brint Florkowski, Global Brand Director, aosu Life – home security systems

Christophe Bron, Founder and CEO, Veintree – Biocryptography – AuthEnTHICator preventing identity theft.

Co-hosts:

Linda Sherman, Managing Editor, Boomer Tech Talk, Rethinking Aging Club podcasts founder and executive producer.

Ray Gordon, architect, urban planner, futurist, former Pratt Institute grad school professor and avid science reader.

Show Notes: Senior Safety – CES 2026 Highlights

Linda Sherman 00:05

Welcome to the Rethinking Aging Club show. I am Linda Sherman. Each week, we host presentations and discussion with special guest experts on an important topic in the field of rethinking aging. We’ll be introducing this week’s co-hosts and guests during the show. We’re happy you’ve joined us.

Today is January 29, 2026, and we are talking about senior safety. Our source is the 2026 CES. This is one of our highlights shows, and we realized that senior safety is a very important topic, and all three of these wonderful products that we are introducing to you today are great contributions to the field of senior safety.

We have with us here today in terms of products Agoyu, aosu and Veintree.
I’m first going to introduce my co-host Ray Gordon, and then we’ll be starting with Bill Mulholland after that.
So Ray Gordon is an architect, urban planner, futurist, and prior graduate school professor at both Pratt Institute and NYU. Ray brings a unique perspective to scientific aging-related topics. Ray is also our tech reporter for Boomer Tech Talk.

Ray Gordon 02:00

And I’d like to introduce Linda Sherman. Linda founded the Rethinking Aging Club, which is a participant in the AgeTech Collaborative from AARP. She’s managing editor of Boomer Tech Talk, home of the club’s podcasts.

Formerly CEO or CMO for multinational subsidiaries in Japan, Linda is now chief longevity officer for LA-based Marine Biology and Environmental Technologies, which creates Miracle of the Sea Natural Marine Extract Consumer Products for rejuvenation and wound healing.

Take it away, Linda.

Linda Sherman 02:35

Thank you so much, Ray Gordon. So we are going to start with Bill Mulholland. I discovered Bill at Moburst’s Uproar CES 2026 event for media. It was so delightful to meet him. I want to congratulate him on the great video that the ABC Florida station produced explaining the difference that Agoyu can make for seniors who are getting scammed by bad guy movers.

Bill Mulholland is a YPO member and founder of Arc Relocation, a global employee relocation firm. He is also the visionary behind Agoyu, an AI-driven platform disrupting the 100 billion-dollar moving industry. After nearly two decades inside a broken system, Bill is using artificial intelligence to eliminate friction, automate complexity, and fundamentally reinvent how people move. Bill, please. Thank you.

Bill Mulholland 03:48

Hey, Linda. Thanks so much for having me. As you mentioned, I have owned a global employee relocation company for the last 21 years. It’s called Arc Relocation, and we do work for the U.S. government and for large corporations around the world, helping them relocate their employees. And big entities like the government and large corporations know all too well about how difficult the moving process can be and how many issues there are with bait-and-switch pricing and so they hire companies like Arc to protect their employees.

But what we came to realize is the average everyday consumer who’s moving doesn’t have Arc Relocation on their side. They don’t have a personal concierge to walk them through it and vet movers. So we got the idea to create Agoyu, and what Agoyu is, it’s an app that you can download on your iPhone or your Android, and it has a free scanning tool. And you just take a video of the rooms in your house, and artificial intelligence immediately recognizes every item that you have in each room and how much it weighs, and once the technology has that information, you can then plug in a to and from anywhere in the world, and Agoyu will show you the exact cost from the top moving companies for your move.

And beyond that, we have created user profiles. So although we vet the movers and we don’t let the bad actors into the platform, consumers can see for themselves a mover’s profile, so they are allowed to click on links to Better Business Bureau reviews, Yelp reviews, their U.S. Department of Transportation licensing to see if they’ve had complaints filed against them, years in business. We’ve completely pulled back the curtain on pricing and performance and brought efficiency to an industry that really hasn’t changed in 100 years.

Linda Sherman 05:47

Okay, so can you tell us, Bill, what does this cost for a consumer?

Bill Mulholland 05:54

Yeah, for consumers, there’s no cost. It’s a free app. It’s free to download. We’ve taken a similar commission structure to Uber or Amazon, where we’re creating a platform for consumers to be able to shop for their service provider, and we get paid by the moving companies. So that way, it’s free to the consumer. It’s allowing them to save money, and we’ve passed that cost on to the mover.

Linda Sherman 06:20

And they pay based on the number of recommendations that get triggered, correct?

Bill Mulholland 06:28

That’s right. So movers pay us for booked moves. So we’ve really changed the model for the moving companies as well.

You know, in the past, movers paid for leads, and that’s what led to a lot of issues. Consumers would go on, and there’d be a fake list of the top 10 best movers, and really that was just the top 10 movers that was paying that website money. And our model is a mover only pays us if they book the move and it’s completed. So the mover is saving from having to pay for leads. They’re saving from having to pay a guy with a clipboard to drive out to the house and give an estimate. We’ve taken that all off their plate.

So there’s actually a cost savings to the moving company because what they’re paying us is less than what their customer acquisition cost used to be, and there’s an overall cost savings to the consumer because we’ve created a price competition platform.

Linda Sherman 07:21

I really like that. That sounds great.

Ray Gordon 07:24

Hi, Bill. This is Ray Gordon. I was wondering a couple of things. What is the advantage to the moving companies? How do you get them to agree to work with you on that?

Bill Mulholland 07:34

Yeah, I’ll say. You know, coming from the relocation industry, this was a similar model to what I was used to. This is what we do when we relocate someone with, you know, Five Below or GNC or Wawa or one of our big clients or the Social Security Administration. Movers typically pay the referring party, so it wasn’t completely different from the model from the relocation industry. And as I mentioned, the movers are very happy to pay the fee because it’s never wasted money. They’re only paying if they actually book the move.

I will say the one thing that was difficult was to get movers to wrap their minds around publishing their pricing publicly. So if you go to agoyu.com or you download our app, you can see the exact cost of your move. And for years, pricing has been done behind a curtain in the moving industry, so they were very apprehensive to do that.

But I’ve been in this industry for 21 years. I built a lot of relationships. I was able to get my partners to trust me. The big van lines that we’ve all heard of are in the platform, and you’ll see them if you log in. And what they’ve come to realize is if they were too high on their price, they were going to be too high after they bought the lead and they paid the guy with the clipboard to go out there. So better to not get the move up front without wasting any money than wasting all that money and not get the move at the end of the day.

Now the movers in our platform are happy to publish their rates because they’re just booking moves. The entire process is more efficient for everyone.

Ray Gordon 09:07

That’s great. Also, what kind of geographic coverage do you have? I mean, are you nationwide? Are there certain areas that are more popular than others, and you have more moving options?

Bill Mulholland 09:17

So we’re completely global. If you go to agoyu.com, you can query a move from Dubai to Switzerland. And we’ve taken a massive industry and honestly, what is a very complex process, and we boiled it down and made it very simple.

So, based on my background in the world that I came from, I already had those networks. I was awarded a $54 million contract with U.S. Customs and Border Protection. And when I had that contract, it was doing about 800 international moves a year to all 95 countries in the world that had a U.S. airport or a U.S. seaport, and so that’s the Office of Air Marines, Division of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Those are the guys abroad that are at the port. That’s the first point of entry in the United States is when you’re clearing customs abroad, and so I took that network of vetted global suppliers and populated this public platform with those companies, and they’re very happy to earn the business, and the consumers getting the benefit of government-approved, vetted suppliers all over the world, so you can query a move anywhere.

Ray Gordon 10:27

And how do you deal with local currencies? Is that built into the platform?

Bill Mulholland 10:32

Yeah. So all of our international providers have agreed, based on our terms and conditions, that when they’re publishing a rate or they’re quoting a price to a consumer, it’s in U.S. dollars.

Now that may change in the future. We may get a little bit more sophisticated, and when users are logging in from abroad and they don’t want a price in U.S. dollars, we may start to convert to their currencies. But for us and for our accounting, to keep things simple. Right now, it’s all U.S. dollars, and again, that network that I’ve worked with for years. They’re very used to that because that’s what the government requires, and a lot of our big corporate clients.

Ray Gordon 11:12

And I have a couple of technical questions. First of all, how does your system estimate weight? I know it’s AI-driven, but it seems sort of amazing that it could know it dims to be a chair versus a solid piece of furniture, for instance. Yeah,

Bill Mulholland 11:26

Thank you. I appreciate that, and it works very well. When we were at CES and I met Linda, there was a company exhibiting next to us who had exercise equipment, and it was revolutionary. It was powered by air pressure. And so I videoed that piece of equipment.

The AI recognized it as a treadmill, and it wasn’t a treadmill. It was a new piece of equipment they had come out with, but it knew it was exercise equipment, and it estimated the weight at 259 pounds. And I asked the guy who owned that company, and he said, “That’s spot on.” That’s basically what this weighs. It’s about 250 pounds, and so we do use plugins for our vision and our weight estimation.

So I don’t want to give away our secret sauce. I would say that our vision detection and our weight estimation is not really what makes our system proprietary, but we are using AI plugins for those estimations.

Ray Gordon 12:22

And I know that you’re supposed to, like, scan or take photographs of the products of the items that you’re going to be moving. What happens if you forget to scan an item or two? How does that work itself out when the movers start their job?

Bill Mulholland 12:37

It’s a great question. So a couple things I would say is I have programmed this technology with my 21 years of experience to all the industry best practices.

So, in other words, when the user has downloaded the app and they start to scan their room, the app gives them tips, just like a surveyor would if they came out to your house prior to Agoyu. And so they’d say, “Hey,” the app will say, “Don’t forget to open your drawers. Don’t forget to open your closets.”

And then once the AI has returned all the items, it prompts the users and says, “Check the list. See if the AI missed anything. See if the AI got anything wrong. Because if your list of items is not accurate, your pricing won’t be accurate.” So it’s explaining to the user how pricing works, and it’s basically the self-checkout line at the supermarket.

And our estimates are coming in within 3% of the actual weight and the actual inventory list on the move. And the reason for that is the homeowner knows what’s better than the move estimator, what they have in their bedroom or what they have in their living room. So it’s very easy for them to check that list and say, oh, oh my gosh, it missed my dresser. Let me add that in. So you can change it and you can edit it. And then once it gets to a point where it’s accurate, now you know you have an accurate price.

And the last thing I would say is our Agoyu platform requires the mover to guarantee the price. So when you book a move through Agoyu, it asks the mover, “Will you guarantee this price?” If the mover says no, I look at the video and I don’t think they opened their drawers, and I’ve been chatting with the consumer. They may have missed an item or two. They have five business days or less to schedule an in-person follow-up survey and bound that price so it can only go down. It can’t go up.

If they don’t do that within one week or five business days, per the terms and condition of our platform, they have to honor the price that Agoyu calculated. So we’ve eliminated the missing items, the surprise pricing, which honestly is probably the biggest issue in the moving industry.

Ray Gordon 14:47

And one more thing, have you made any accommodations or tweaks to the platform for older consumers who might be using the platform?

Bill Mulholland 14:57

Yeah, that’s been one of our surprises, actually, in something Linda and I talked a little bit about. Linda saw the piece that ABC News just did on Agoyu down in Florida. And once we launched Agoyu to the general public, and we’ve interacted with customers and we surveyed everyone at the end of the process, we began discovering that a lot of the customers were boomers who are retiring, and that’s the motivation for the move.

A lot of times people don’t want to live after retirement in the same place that they worked. And so intentionally, we’ve created Agoyu to be extremely user-friendly. And what I tell our customers, and I talk to people all the time, I’ll say, you know, just because it’s powered by AI, don’t worry about that. A lot of people feel like they need to understand how AI works to use a product, and that’s not the case.

We all use the internet. Very few people really understand how the internet works. We all drive a car. Very few people could take an engine apart and put it back together, but we use it. And it’s the same thing with Agoyu. It couldn’t be more simple.

All the seniors that are using our app is saying, “Wow, I was a little intimidated when I saw this whole artificial intelligence thing, but that could not have been easier to use. Download it; it walks you through step by step, and within a matter of minutes, you’re able to shop movers, look at pricing, and really protect yourself on your move.”

So we’ve been surprised. We weren’t planning on a large percentage of our population being retirees, but that’s what it turned out to be, and it’s working extremely well.

Ray Gordon 16:27

Great, thank you.

Bill Mulholland 16:30

Yeah

Linda Sherman 16:30

Thank you so much, Bill. And going to your website, I see that it says you can download it from your website. Can you also just go to your Apple apps or your Google apps and find it there?

Bill Mulholland 16:46

Yes, over 70% of the users download the app. You can do either. I really prefer the app because it’s on your phone. So download it in the Google Store for Android, download it in the App Store for iPhone, and your camera seamlessly integrates with the AI scanning tool.

Now, once consumers have, you know, booked their move and looked at movers and things like that, then usually they’ll start to log into Agoyu on the desktop so they can manage things. You can chat with the mover and get updates when the mover’s coming and things like that.

And one other important feature about Agoyu that I’d point out. It’s just a newer feature that we added about six months ago. It’s called the reverse marketplace. And so when consumers go on there and they look at the price of the move and they look at the movers, a little pop-up comes up on the screen and it says, “Hey, if you’re looking for a discount, you can click this button here and ask movers to bid on your move, driving down the price.” Over 70% of our consumers click on that, and it blasts every mover in the system and says, “Hey, there’s a move going from here to there. This consumer wants you to offer them a discount to try and win it. So log in, look at the videos, and offer your best price.” And that will drive down the price on average another 20 to 30%.

And so then, a lot of our consumers go back to their desktop. They have two days to bid, and they will log in and see the action: who’s bidding, what price they’re bidding. You can chat with them and ask them questions. And we don’t reveal the consumer’s contact info until the consumer has chosen a mover. So they’re bidding on it just based on the information of your move, but they’re not going to get your email. They’re not going to get your phone number. So no spam.

Linda Sherman 18:28

That is fantastic. We are so happy to be a player in helping to get the word out on Agoyu. It sounds really wonderful. What are you doing for marketing?

Bill Mulholland 18:43

Well, right now we are in ramp-up mode. Agou was originally built as a tool for Arc Relocation. I was really trying to address the transferees who were relocating on just a lump sum. A lot of companies nowadays will say, “You know what? Here’s a check. Do what you want.” So I originally created this tool to monetize that traffic better.

Now, what the light bulb that’s gone off is anyone who’s moving should use this. So we are in discussions right now to roll out a very robust marketing plan, and hopefully in the next couple days we’re going to be announcing a very large strategic partnership, but we’re going to go at social. We’re going to create a dynamic URL across Google and the larger SEO platform so that when you Google a move from point A to point B, just like hotels.com, you’re going to come up with a unique page based on that lane, showing you the movers, showing you the prices, just like Expedia and those guys.

So we’re going to be new to this space. It doesn’t exist anywhere and moving. And we have really big plans. And we feel that we will quickly take over search engine optimization, and it’s really a product that consumers need. And we’ll get a lot of traction once we let people know it exists.

Linda Sherman 20:02

Wow, and of course you need AEO as well as SEO.

Bill Mulholland 20:06

That’s right. Yeah, very important, and we’re positioned very good for AEO because long gone are the days, thank God, of the affiliate marketers’ 10 best movers, and they’re not the 10 best movers. In fact, they might be the 10 worst movers. They’re the movers that are paying, and they’re not bound by the same rules as the ones that are on my platform that do works for the government and big corporations. Agents, artificial intelligence, language models—they’re looking for execution and outcome. They’re looking for answers.

ChatGPT does not value a paid ad. ChatGPT does not value a list. It values an outcome when a user says, “How do I find a mover?” So we’re extremely excited that our platform is an execution platform. You book your move. There’s an actual outcome, and so we feel that in an agentic world, we’re very well positioned.

Linda Sherman 21:06

Thank you so much. In our audience, Lori is asking: After the move, what happens with your data, including photos of all of your items?

Bill Mulholland 21:20

Great question. So we auto-delete everything, but we do warn both parties that if they would like to retain any of this data, they can download it from our system. For us, it’s a capacity issue. We’re getting more and more users every month, and so we don’t want to store what could be a pretty large video shot on an iPhone, and a lot of rooms or a lot of houses have 10 or 15 rooms in it.

So about 30 days after the move, we keep the data because there might be a claim for damages, and we have a living document. So there’s no more he said she said if the table gets scratched and the mover says, “Well, it was already scratched.” We have a video that shows the exact condition of that table or whatever the item is, and so we know our users may want to use that for insurance claims. Typically, you can make a claim about 30 days after the move, at which time the platform auto-warns both parties, “Hey, your move’s completed. We hope everything went well. If you need anything, download it because we’re going to delete it.”

Linda Sherman 22:25

Fantastic. Okay, thank you so much, Bill Mulholland. We’re so glad that you could join us today, and thank you to Moburst for inviting me to the Uproar Media event. It was wonderful. Thank you so much.

We are going to go on to Brint Florkowski. I enjoyed spending time in the aosu booth at CES, and CES stands for Consumer Electronics Show. It is a very large trade show that goes on every year in early January. This year it’s about 150,000 people attended this trade show.

Brint Florkowski is a seasoned marketing and brand leader, currently serving as global brand director at aosu Life, which is an innovative smart home security brand with products designed to simplify everyday life. Brint leads global brand strategy, helping to elevate aosu’s presence in the competitive smart home security industry.

Prior to joining aosu, Brint has held senior brand marketing and business development roles, where he has led go-to-market strategies, enhanced brand positioning, and helped drive awareness for consumer products in highly competitive markets, including e-commerce and health insurance. He holds a degree from Bowling Green State University.

Brint Florkowski, please.

Brint Florkowski 24:03

Hi, Linda. Yeah, thank you so much for inviting me to be here. And it was a pleasure to talk to you at CES this year and give you a little quick walk around our booth we had set up. I think I can kind of just go right into some things I can mention about aosu and what we’re focusing on as a company.

Essentially, I think you said it best that aosu is a smart home security company. We primarily focus on cameras and outdoor cameras. We also have a line of like video doorbells and indoor cameras as well.

I think saying that we are focusing on simplicity is the core value we have. We’ve done tons of research, especially last year, meeting with people of all kinds of different backgrounds. And the one thing that keeps coming up is that people associate their home security with either expensive devices that they need to have professionals come install around the house or even to a point where you want to have multiple cameras to help keep your security active, you might need to have like wires or special devices and then hire installers, and it can become a mess really fast for people.

The other part is that there’s a lot of cameras on the market now that are more battery-operated, and the problem, or one fault with those is that those batteries have to constantly be charged. So one way that we’re kind of counteracting that is that most of our products, I would say about 95% of our products, are solar-powered. So what we’re trying to do is keep people off their ladders so they don’t have to climb up and take their cameras down to charge them or replace batteries. It can be completely solar, as well as trying to make the app and the installation process as smooth as possible for people.

So installing like our devices, we really put a lot of focus in the engineering behind how you can install them with just three or four screws, and it so it does minimal cosmetic damage to your house and all those kind of things. So simplicity is kind of what we’re focusing on as well as the smart aspect of it.

So we talk to a lot of people and you notice at CES that the buzzword is like “AI.” Every electronic device now seems to have AI capabilities, but what we’re focusing on more is what is that AI doing for you in your security space. So we focus on more of the features that are going to be more practical and useful for people.

So it can come down to I think I mentioned a couple like that we’re kind of prioritizing right now for the beginning of the year is like package protection, so something that would protect packages at your door, and you know if somebody comes approaching them, they can take them away. That kind of stuff, and then also like a more accurate and stronger alert, so that way that when you receive a notification, it’s not just like a false notification. It’s actually a very clear alert, and it actually doesn’t sense like the wind or maybe like a random animal walking by, which is like something that AI is becoming more and more useful for security cameras because it can recognize if it’s an animal, a person, a car, and then eliminate those unnecessary alerts and then just focus on the primary ones.

And then for the family aspect, I think we find that people purchasing home security systems, you know, range from new homeowners all the way to senior citizens for a wide variety of reasons. And it could be that maybe your neighborhood’s not the safest, or there’s been break-ins, or all that, or maybe it just comes to simply knowing what’s going on around your house and things like maybe your kids coming home from school, or maybe your mom or dad have their own property. And you know you just want to keep an eye on them to keep touch with them, or kind of all kinds of purposes, and that’s what I think really intrigued me most so far doing this kind of security brand, because as I stated, our team only focuses on security products.

So all of our engineers, all of our developers, everybody has somewhat of a security background in different parts of the industry. And they’ve all come together to make this kind of affordable, cost-effective devices for people. So, with all the people who need security, we’re trying to tackle a lot of different elements and keep the cost affordable for people and accessible for people. So that’s kind of what we’re doing over at aosu right now.

Linda Sherman 28:35

Thank you so much, Brint. I was impressed with the affordability. Can you mention specifically your alternative to the Ring doorbell?

Brint Florkowski 28:46

Yeah, so we have a range of video doorbells, but it’s not like a huge, extensive, confusing range. Right now, we have three different doorbells, and the starting price can be from, I believe, right now our more simple model is about $89. I’ll have to double-check on it because sometimes we have different specials going on on our website or on our Amazon. And then it goes into, like, a middle-tier kind of doorbell, which is about maybe $130, I would say, and then we can go to our top-tier doorbell, which has a bit more of the smart features, smart abilities and also, like, things like the built-in storage, as well as the different sensors on it. That one would give out 200 and some dollars right now.

Linda Sherman 29:31

And you have a new one coming out in February, right?

Brint Florkowski 29:34

We have a new one coming out right now. We’ve had to postpone production a little bit because we had a couple of things we’re trying to adjust on it. So it was scheduled to come out at the end of February, but we’ve had to push that back now just a little bit. Maybe April we’re looking at now, but that will be our top-tier brand-new doorbell coming out, which is going to have some local AI capabilities on it, some new hardware features, and some new software features as well.

Linda Sherman 30:01

When you talk about interaction with the family, can you talk a little bit more about how adult children can support their parents through aosu?

Brint Florkowski 30:13

Yeah. So one thing that we find is that the idea of independence comes up, and privacy is also another big factor for people, and even for myself, I use our cameras. Like my mother, I put cameras around her house for her, which she uses on a daily basis to check in on the dogs, also just to see who was at her door, just keep track of what’s going around her house.

But the nice part that we have is that our app that connects these cameras is shareable. So that way, if you like, you can, you know, I know my sister will sometimes just check in on my mom, make sure everything is okay.

I think a couple like user case we can look closer at is that we have an indoor camera, which is a little PTZ, which is a pan-tilt-zoom type camera that’s meant for the indoors. And it’s got a couple cool features on it that I think people use because it’s really a home-friendly type camera. So some people want to have a camera inside, maybe to check in on their parents, maybe see what they’re up to make sure that they’re up for the day or that they’re active.

So one thing that we have is, like, the notifications. So you can set notifications to be on at certain times. For example, one of our users, they use it to make sure their mother would get up every morning, so they don’t check the camera. But the camera’s on, and when the mother walks in front of the camera, her daughter will get a notification every day at about the same time. So that way, her daughter would know that she was up for the day. There’s been motion and activities, but she doesn’t have to go in and check the video itself, right? She can just, like, say, “Okay, I got a notification. Mom must be up.”

Another thing that we know is that a lot of indoor cameras, you can say that they’re turned off, but the lens is still open and it’s looking at you. And that can be very intimidating for people in their houses, especially in their living rooms when they have a little camera looking at them. So what we have is something called privacy mode that’s built into the hardware. And what you do is on the app, you can press privacy mode, and the indoor camera will actually fold down into itself, which hides the lens. This means that the camera can’t see anything, but it also says, like, I’m not for the person who’s living at home. They see there is a camera there, but it’s not looking at them at that moment. But it gives people who, like, maybe the kids who want to check in, they get that time to be like, okay, I’m just going to check in really quick on mom or dad and make sure everything is all right.

And then we have a couple users who utilize our outdoor cameras for some day-to-day activities. So, like, let’s say I know one of our users; she uses it to watch her father, who likes to go out and water all the plants in the garden daily, take care of everything back in the garden. She can get a notification that okay, my dad went out this afternoon to go water the flowers outside, and then if she wants to just check in on really quick, she can.

And people have had cases where maybe they don’t get a notification for day, so they do check in. And we actually have a case that was interesting last year was, one of our indoor cameras—the woman didn’t receive a text in the morning about her mother, and so she looked and turned on the camera, and she didn’t see anybody, and there was no recorded videos. And she goes, “Okay, I’m going to go over there,” and so she went over there and she found that her mother did fall down, and you know, she actually was able to respond in a more timely manner just based on the camera.

So there are, like I said, a really wide range of people how they can use this for their family. And I think that the ability to share the app to who you would like to have access to it. You can also control what cameras you could have access to, and, like, your parents could have access to it as well, and they can see, you know, everything on there, and they have full control of it as well. So we had to find that balance between privacy, but also practicality for people who rely on it for their older ones and their families.

Linda Sherman 34:12

You showed me that privacy mode, and it was cute the way it folds on itself. It’s kind of adorable.

Brint Florkowski 34:20

Yeah, a lot of people like that. It’s a simple feature, but it’s really effective.

Linda Sherman 34:25

Ray, do you have anything, or any of our speakers on the stage?

Ray Gordon 34:29

Yeah, I’ve got a couple of questions for you. There’s a centralized built-in storage device. Is that standard, or is that an add-on? And how does that work?

Brint Florkowski 34:38

So you can buy our cameras individually, or you can buy kits. And a kit would contain maybe 2, 4, 6, and we even have a package that has eight cameras in it. If you buy a kit, it’s primarily a storage device. We call it the aosu base, and that can connect up to six cameras. And then we have a more robust kind of version, which can connect up to eight cameras. That’s called the aosu Cortex.

What these are is not only for the storage purposes, but also it helps extend Wi-Fi for larger homes to connect multiple cameras, so your devices can communicate with each other and keep everything local as well.

Our aosu base, you can have up to one terabyte of storage, which is in the security space, our cameras record what are called events. So they don’t record 24/7 because they’re solar-powered instead of being hardwired. So any solar-powered camera can’t do 24/7 just because of the limitations on the energy efficiency. But one terabyte of event storage is what I think is quite a lot, so you can keep that all local at home.

And then our other device storage unit is called the aosu Cortex. That one has 32 gigabytes built in, and you can actually put a hard drive in that one all the way up to 16 terabytes. And that, to me, is way too much storage. But you know, people have different needs for their kind of storage, so we try to keep it really flexible. And I know privacy and people’s footage. They really value that privacy. So keeping things local is extremely important to a lot of people.

Ray Gordon 36:13

So the other options for storage are cloud-based, and do you have small storage devices on the cameras themselves?

Brint Florkowski 36:22

Yeah, so for our individual cameras, we have a range of models. Most of them, you can have the storage directly on the camera, so you can insert, like, a microSD card into the camera if you just want like an individual one.

If you buy the kit camera, you have to use the storage device that comes with the kit camera to store it. And then we do have a cloud subscription available, but it’s not mandatory for the use of the cameras. So your cameras will function as normal.

The cloud storage, though, is another option for people to store. I’m going to use the word “unlimited,” but what it means is you can have 14 days of unlimited events recorded to the cloud, and then it loops itself over that. Or you can get a 30-day plan, which would be 30 days of unlimited event recordings. I clarified it because when we say unlimited, that word is very, you know, like it’s not a limited storage, but it’s a limited event storage for that duration that you would choose, but yeah, so our cameras can do the storage locally.

Our newest camera, which is called the T2 Pro, that one is a dual camera, so it has a very wide camera on top and a movable camera on the bottom, and that one has storage you can buy for it up to 256 gigabytes or you can subscribe to the cloud.

Ray Gordon 37:46

One other question about your PTZ, your pan-tilt-zoom cameras, is that controllable via your phone?

Brint Florkowski 37:53

Yeah, so you can control everything from the app on your phone, and so you can move it around, look at things, and then all of our PTZs have auto tracking, which means it can identify motion, and usually the motion would be coming from, like, a person. You can set it so if somebody walks in front of the camera, the camera can actually follow it automatically.

So let’s say somebody is walking in front of your yard, and they come from the driveway, and they walk into their front yard, and your camera’s there. It will actually track their movement and record their movement.

And I’m going to mention one other cool feature. If you buy, like, a kit kind of camera, we have something that’s called camera-to-camera tracking, and what that does is that the cameras are talking to each other. So let’s say somebody’s in your driveway, and they walk around your house to the front door. The PTZ-type camera can follow them and track them. But let’s say they go to the corner side of your house and walk around, you know, the side path or something, and you have a camera over there. That event will then jump over to that camera and keep following their movement across camera to camera.

So if you buy our kit kind of cameras that are PTZ, they can do this kind of tracking around your entire property, so we call it camera-to-camera tracking, which is pretty cool to see from an event from start to finish.

Ray Gordon 39:09

And I have one other question: If you had, let’s say, you bought a kit with a storage device and two cameras, and you wanted to add another camera, can you add individual cameras to the system over time?

Brint Florkowski 39:18

Yeah, so that is something I talked to Linda about. And this year we’re excited to say that we are developing that type of ecosystem. So originally, you would have to buy a kit, and then you could add a camera to it, but it had to be of the same model.

And so let’s say you had two of the we call them, like, the SolarCam D1 Classics. You would have to buy another SolarCam D1 Classic to connect it to that ecosystem, but now what we’re working on and we’re getting some of our cameras aligned with, is that now you can start doing more modular.

So let’s say you want two PTZ cameras, so you buy a PTZ camera kit, and then you want to add a doorbell to it, and then you want to add, like, the indoor, and then you want to add a floodlight camera to it. Now these cameras can start communicating and working together through one system, and that was actually one of our goals that we set last year.

And now, beginning this year and moving forward, we plan to add more and more cameras like that, so you can just add to the system. So it’s completely becoming more modular. It seems like it would be pretty easy to do, but in terms of the engineering of it and the software of it, it’s pretty difficult.

Ray Gordon 40:27

That’s a great feature. Thank you very much.

Linda Sherman 40:31

You have on the website that aosu is compatible with Alexa, Google Home, and aosu. So it’s like its own system as well.

Brint Florkowski 40:44

Yes, if you buy our cameras, you download the app. All of our cameras are through the app. So you purchase a camera, you scan it. It has a little QR code on it. You just scan it through the app, and then it can connect it to our aosu app.

And then you have access to any camera that you would add to that app. And then for the Google Assistant and Alexa Home, you can actually have it like on the display. Like, let’s say you have a little display device in your kitchen, you can actually access the cameras through those as well, through those different devices if you have them. It’s more for a smart home kind of connection.

Linda Sherman 41:21

Okay, thank you so much. We’re going to go ahead to Christophe Bron with Veintree.

So I learned about Veintree because we were reporting on articles for CES in one of our News for the Ages by Rethinking Aging Club shows very recently, and Veintree was featured in a Forbes article. And it sounded so cool, and it was so compatible with senior safety, although that wasn’t specifically what the original intent was, apparently, but I’m so glad that we discovered Veintree. It’s biocryptography with their authenticator. I’m going to let Christophe explain that.

Christophe is a physician and entrepreneur at the crossroads of medicine, cryptography, and trusted technologies. He’s the founder of VeinTree and the cryptographic authentication technology based on the analysis of the hands’ venous network, without the storage or exploitation of biometric data. His approach aims to prove human presence in order to restore trust in the age of deep fakes.

The idea emerged in 2011 during a humanitarian mission in Haiti when confronted with the limitations of traditional identification methods. A former researcher, deep tech entrepreneur, and field physician, Christophe Bron defends a vision in which proof of the living becomes a new foundation of digital trust.

Christophe, can you please explain VeinTree to us and why it’s important to senior safety?

Christophe Bron 43:34

Oh, thank you, Linda, for having me here. As a matter of fact, VeinTree, we work on a very simple idea—only the presence of people should be the key, and not your memory. And so, if you are alive and present, access makes sense.

And Veintree is a deep tech company developing highly secure technology for hardware-based human authentication for critical digital and physical access. But as a matter of fact, I was very surprised that you called me on this demonstration because it brings me back to the source of the ID.

As a matter of fact, in the identity and access management of anything, there is a human authentication layer which is missing. And you never know if the codes or if the logins, the passwords, are given by humans or machines. And now in the AI world, in the deepfake world, anything can be copied. Anything can be done by machines, without the need to have human presence. And this is exactly what we wanted to do.

Today we need codes to access our digital life. And for every digital action, we need to remember passwords, logins, or any multiple-factor authentication. And we decided to replace this by natural sign-up, something that you have in your hands. And I used venous signal because it’s a natural and it’s very individual. No two hands are similar, and it’s not personal data. It’s only the fact that we have a mathematical proof transforming your venous structure and your blood flow in a code. And each time you present your hands, the systems recreates the connection between what we call a lock and your hands, which are the keys.

And this action confirms that it’s you and only you, and then the access is granted. So what we do is we use nature, which is specific and individual, to open doors to open any digital access, based on the fact that your hands are the mathematical proof that you are living, that you are you, and you are the only individual who is able to create to present this signal.

So it’s a very simple thing, but the mathematical behind this is based on biology, is based on cryptography, and this is the reason why we call it biocryptography. Because everyone is unique, and we use the uniqueness of everyone to open the authentication to the IT insurance authentication, and where today the machines can make impersonation can steal or break force every passwords, every numerical action. So now your hands are your credentials through Veintree.

Linda Sherman 47:15

Christophe, on my iPhone, it recognizes my face, and I can use that to pay when I’m in a store. Why is that not good enough?

Christophe Bron 47:28

Oh, because if I steal your iPhone and if I am able to make an avatar of your face, I can be you very easily. The avatars and their artificial intelligence now is able to recreate any face, any eyes, any voice, any fingerprint. And by the fact that it’s something you can see, you can make a video from this and you can recreate it completely.

But you cannot recreate your blood flow in your veins because it’s something you cannot see. And you cannot recreate the mathematics which is behind this, behind the calculation based on your hands, and this is all different.

But I hope soon that we will have it in every smartphone. The fact that you can present your hands, and it’s much more secure than face recognition and any other biometrics.

Linda Sherman 48:28

And you mentioned it’s ephemeral, so it’s different every time. It’s not a stored thing. It’s what it is at that moment.

Christophe Bron 48:39

No, it’s not stored. We recreate each time the connection between something which is a mathematical function and your hands, which is a key. So, as a matter of fact, from physician, I am no locksmith, and probably the only locksmiths who do not craft any keys because they already are at the top of your arms.

Linda Sherman 49:04

Ray.

Ray Gordon 49:04

Yeah, I was wondering. I understand there was a demo about how you could tie this into a banking system that could accept that as authentication. Are you planning on having other items that have a hardware connection, like door locks and things of that sort, where you can use the scan of your hand onto your phone that would actually communicate with other devices?

Christophe Bron 49:28

Yes, of course you are right. You know, Veintree is not a system in itself. It is only a part of all identity and access management systems. It’s only the human authentication layer of this system and any access management—any access device could be fitted with Veintree.

Ray Gordon 49:50

So it’s a technology that you could then either through licensing or other methods with joint ventures with hardware companies establish that as the authentication system. So it’s something that is there waiting for all kinds of other products to be able to take advantage of it.

Christophe Bron 50:08

Yes, exactly. We are preparing the licensing of this technology for various verticals. I personally am more interested in the medical parts, but any other verticals, I’m open for discussion and licensing. Of course, I am interested in developing. We are transitioning now from the validation of our prototypes to early commercial deployment. But any verticals is for identity and access management is welcome.

Ray Gordon 50:41

So you could access your medical files by using that scan to authenticate. You are the person who needs to look at those files. But you could also, for instance, go to a clinic and sign in with your hand so that they would know that you are who you are.

Christophe Bron 50:57

Really? Yes. There are so many possibility in the medical field, we could completely anonymize the medical files, encrypt the medical files with your hands, so that nobody can read your medical file unless you authorize them. You decipher for them.

So you can give to caregivers a specific part of your medical files, and you can own your own medical files in what we call our dongle or authenticator. And it’s very important to be able to have our own medical files with us, especially when we move, when we go from one country to another.

Now we have the file format for medical files which allow exchanges. And if you own your own medical files in your, say, phone or protected in your phones or in our device, it’s up to you to give access to a part of your files and to receive also results and exchange your data. And it’s very important.

For example, in India, I have been contacted by medical organization in India. They want to decentralize the medical files of the Indian people, and I am absolutely supporting this. There is no need to do a centralized file system server with your medical files in some hospital. You need to be able to move and transfer your own medical files, because as a matter of fact, the hospital doesn’t own your files. You are the owner of your medical files.

So you see, there are extremely big consequences with this technology that we don’t foresee really at the moment.

Ray Gordon 52:44

The possibility that you could have, let’s say, your daughter use her hand scan to access certain portion of your medical files remotely for you, if they needed to deal with some medical issues that you weren’t able to do in person. Could you actually share another person’s biometric to some portion of your files? Is that a possibility?

Christophe Bron 53:08

Yes, if you have done a so-called multi-signature authorization, you could give anyone you want a signature to access your files. And if you are unconscious, someone can read, based on your hands some parts of your medical files, for example, allergy or actual treatment, some parts of it. This is one of the examples I want to work on it for a road accident or any other disease.

Ray Gordon 53:42

That’s great.

Linda Sherman 53:43

Yeah, if you’re unconscious, and as all of us who watch medical shows like The Pitt, and they can’t figure out who somebody is, you could find out who somebody is from their hands.

Christophe Bron 53:56

And you can find, especially, which diseases are in treatment without speaking with a person unconscious. Yes.

Ray Gordon 54:06

So it certainly requires a certain amount of adoption of these standards across different organizations. But ultimately, that seems like it would be something very valuable.

Christophe Bron 54:18

Yes, this is a reason why we begin at the moment-we prioritize the trust and references before volumes. And as I said, we are now developing some aspects of this authentication. For example, how do you ignite a motor with your hands, which would prevent any people other than the person who are allowed to drive the car?

We have a collaboration with a car company, would allow the fact that only the owner and the authorized partner can ignite the motor of the car or the truck. This is one of the example we have outside of the medicine and outside of any other application. But we could perfectly imagine that it’s very important when you lose your keys-you may drive your cars. Same for your house. You don’t need any keys. You only need to be present to be used of it.

Linda Sherman 55:25

Excellent. Thank you so much, Christophe. That is fascinating, and we will be following with great interest where Veintree goes. Thank you so much for giving us a glimpse into this future technology.

Thank you so much to everyone for being here today. We really appreciate our speakers and our audience, and we hope that more and more people will learn about these three products because they are all very, very interesting and important to our community. Thank you so much to everyone.

Ray Gordon 56:13

Thank you, and we’ll see you soon. Take care. Thank you very much.

Linda Sherman 56:19

Thank you for joining us today. This is Linda Sherman, founder of the Rethinking Aging Club. We appreciate your supporting the Rethinking Aging Club podcast by subscribing to our channel. See you next time.